User talk:Smmaadmin

From Sun Myung Moon Archive

Thanks SMMaadmin for fixing the links. But call me DivineCritizer here. Also, in this version of MediaWiki there's a message system because i got a message about what you did. Or was it also in the older versions and i did not notice? --DivineCriticizer (talk) 22:21, 19 June 2015 (PDT)

This is the first time I communicated using the Talk page but thanks for the reminder to use aliases rather than real names. Didn't even think about it.

I'm not familiar with the notification system here. I believe there's also an email function but I'm not familiar with it. I'll look into it. Did you get notified that I'd posted a message to your Talk page?--Smmaadmin (talk) 12:30, 21 June 2015 (PDT)

Google Analytics Tracking Code -- Your entry in Private:MediaWiki logbook

  • Please Smmaadmin, don't put your email address there!!!!!
  • Please sign with your signature so we know who made the change and can talk about it or ask questions to each other...--DivineCriticizer (talk) 10:41, 26 June 2015 (PDT)

How to use the talk page

There's a + tab at the top of talk pages. Click that, and fill out Subject/headline. That way everything is clear and understandable and we don't mess up the format.

And yes, i get a message when you write on my talk page.--DivineCriticizer (talk) 10:41, 26 June 2015 (PDT)

Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js

Could you still add from where you copied the content of this new page?

See my new section Private:MediaWiki logbook#Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js--DivineCriticizer (talk) 22:19, 27 June 2015 (PDT)

MediaWiki logbook entries

See this Concise help instruction MediaWiki logbook entries--DivineCriticizer (talk) 23:04, 27 June 2015 (PDT)

Private:To do-lists for users

I see you filled in your tasks or plans! Great! Now to get LearningCurve over his stage fright... --DivineCriticizer (talk) 09:35, 1 July 2015 (PDT)


Private:Eight textbooks of Sun Myung Moon

Where are you heading with this page? What's your intention? Why is it a private page?

--DivineCriticizer (talk) 23:59, 1 July 2015 (PDT)

This page was meant as a table of contents for the interactive versions of the eight textbooks.
I made it private because all the books are copyrighted. Doesn't it defeat the purpose to have a public page with links to private files?
I also put this up before adding links so you could review it and let me know if I'm organizing this right.

--Smmaadmin (talk) 05:51, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

Doesn't it defeat the purpose to have a public page with links to private files?

Following that logic we should make the entire SMMA private, because links to private files are all over the place, in categories, in public pages etc.

--DivineCriticizer (talk) 06:30, 2 July 2015 (PDT)


Consider to use 'Start research project' for this

Setting up a research project --DivineCriticizer (talk) 01:10, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

I can do it that way. I see this more as a TOC for a group of files rather than a research project.

--Smmaadmin (talk) 05:54, 2 July 2015 (PDT)


A TOC in SMMA with an introduction with quotes by Moon? I understand that this is not meant as a research project, but if you had gone through the procedure for doing research projects, your page would have been much better.
A TOC the way that you want to make this is not wrong, but still more important is that this page is going to be integrated into the whole of SMMA. And this won't be the case when you do it like this. I think you have no clue yet how SMMA is organized and until you do we'll keep having problems like this. When you make pages like this, you first have to think how to integrate it into the whole. Now you're pushing upon SMMA an entirely different system of organizing, and this will confuse the entire site. You could still include a TOC here on this page, but FIRST you'll need to integrate the page into the existing SMMA system. I'll write a new section farther down for this.--DivineCriticizer (talk) 06:30, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

Private:Eight textbooks of Sun Myung Moon

When you make internal links like you did for [[Hyun Jin Moon]], they will show up as red links. It's perfectly fine to do it this way. But could you think of clicking the red link and then make a redirect to [[Moon, Hyun Jin]]?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Can you clarify? --Smmaadmin (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

The official format for names as we use them is Familyname, Personal names. This is also for Western names.

Ok. --Smmaadmin (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

I made the links now, to Moon, Hyun Jin and Kim, Young Whi (again red links, but soon pages will be made with these name).--DivineCriticizer (talk) 00:12, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

I made this new help page: Naming conventions --DivineCriticizer (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

Five hours later

I have been praying about this page off and on, and my being upset about the content has not diminished but increased. Must you introduce these books with the totally disgusting words by Moon himself? He's abusing God's name and using the miseries of mankind to promote himself. The only critique comes from equally evil creeps like Hyun Jin Moon and Young Whi Kim. How are you ever getting this page in good shape and spirit when you start it like that? I know you're not finished making it, but already the entire spirit and energy are that of advertising Moon. I wouldn't know a way to make this again in order except that after reflecting you make a totally new start.

I used Moons words in order to show how much importance he attached to these eight books. I realize now that doing this changed the page from a mere TOC to an editorial as well as inadvertently taking sides in a current UC controversy. --Smmaadmin (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

I've written a whole procedure 'Start research project' that is meant to avoid these kinds of problems of coming under, for instance, Moon, when you're quoting him or writing about him. Maybe you try that out...... It'll take some time to learn this, but these matters cannot be learned easily.

Ok, I'll watch the tutorial again and start over. --Smmaadmin (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

I would rather not have written this, if i knew a way to circumvent being straight to you about this. I think that you're still too much in a Moonie environment, otherwise this would never have happened. I see very serious problems behind this that you must solve.

--DivineCriticizer (talk) 04:44, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

Editors are supposed to bring a fresh set of eyes to any project in order to give insights the writer can't see for himself. I understand it's sometimes a brutal process. I've done it myself and I know there's no substitute for perfect honesty. Moon got his hooks in deep and I know its going to be a bloody mess pulling them out. --Smmaadmin (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

I don't want to go into too many details about this. But to mention one point: You let Moon himself introduce these books. But we're the editors of SMMA and we ourselves should introduce these books. If you let Moon do it, every reader knows that it implies that you respect Moon. Then, later in the article, if you want to tell what Moon thinks about these books, you have to be very careful to do it in a way that the right energy is put in it. You must avoid that people come under Moon's words. There are many ways of doing it right, and also many ways of doing it wrong. Bottom line is, you want readers who have read it to have gotten good words and energy from you. In order to do this, you MUST first separate truth from lies, etc. This is shown in the 'Start research project' procedure.

--DivineCriticizer (talk) 04:50, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

Okay, I'll use the Start Research form. All books except CSG are ready in the interactive format which is searchable, allows for annotation, bookmarks, copying and printing. --Smmaadmin (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

If you wish to edit the To-do list

You need to do it in the template [[Template:Todos]]

I added the link for this to the 'links for administrators' section on your user page.

--DivineCriticizer (talk) 03:43, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

A suggestion how you can set up this page for 8 textbooks

  1. Start a public page about the 8 textbooks. Make the page informative with neutral information. Not a propaganda piece for Moon. You don't really need to use the Research project procedure for it, but if you had done it, you would not have used so many quotes by Moon.
  2. You can also make there a list of the 8 books. I'm not sure if each of the books deserve their own page, but it's a possibility.
  3. In the public page you can add the books in Iframes, that is when you have a location of these books online other than SMMA2 or SMMA.
  4. Make sure at this stage that you integrate the page or pages into the existing SMMA, correct categories, cross-linking with other pages. Please take your time for this because this will make out a big proportion of the value of the entire site.
  5. In the private section you add the files, probably a page and file per book. Here you put in Iframe our own stored version.
  6. In the public page about the 8 textbooks you add links to the private files. It's not a problem to do that. We are not disclosing that we have these books stored for ourselves. All it makes is a link to a private page about one of these books. As i said before, we cannot hide titles and existence of the private pages and categories, but visitors cannot see its content because they have to log in.

A important reason why i made these forms and procedures is to help each of us to keep control over the entire process of claiming these materials. When you work with books by Moon, his energy comes over you. But when you strictly follow the procedures and the forms, it will help you to keep overview and to not come under this energy. It will still be a very difficult task to do. Do not underestimate the difficulty in this. --DivineCriticizer (talk) 06:44, 2 July 2015 (PDT)